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Resolved Question: Who decides what...

October 06, 2008
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Take for example the established Webster definition of:CULTFunction: noun Usage: often attributive Etymology: French & Latin; French ‘culte,’ from Latin ‘cultus’ care, adoration, from ‘colere’ to cultivate Date:16171: formal religious veneration : worship2: system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body of adherents3: religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also: its body of adherents4: system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator ‘health cults’5: (a) great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); -------especially: such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad (b)the object of such devotion (c) a usually small group of people characterized by such devotionMaybe this will clarify it for you:http://www.livevideo.com/video/dreamcatcher/A011AFFCDEA04837A56EF16C396CE3A3/cult.aspx


Resolved Question: Please take some...

October 05, 2008
posted by admin

NEVER BE PEACE (Written 8/8/07)The only answerTo absolute peaceIs buried in warWhich brings terror to humanity!If the worldWas bestowedWith absolute peace,Yes, we shall have no conflictsBut abolished will the basic humane instinct or privilegeTo revolt & question evil authorityAs souls quietly perishBy men of evil hiding beneath the wings of harmonyFor absolute peaceWon’t put good in men’s heartsRather, it would give them courageTo chase renegade,Committing heinous crimesIn a world utopiaWhere men hardly question, actNor shed a tearThus giving evil libertyAs world's citizens delay to actLeading the world into a pitfallFor they lack strength to heed the humanist call.So to prevent this crisis,The roadTo absolute peaceIs hidden where humane hearts dread!2 weeks ago3RD Rock Valley(Written 1/4/08)In the mare valley of wink,I bore witness to the heavens close;giant plates far from meekassembled to one to trap the foeFor precious were us,that his queen valley he gavebut our stabs of Cordayleft her a dead Marat.So with no linger of shamethat his queen we defame,his heavens he closed with intentthe sham´er dwell in the mist she rot.Then I un-winkedto see wrongs mounted on thy steedto blasphemy in recoil for thy meedby the tongues of thy deed,soon to leave 3rd rock valley closed.2 weeks agoTyrant (Written 12/20/07)We sat them in the darkSwallowed the key to knowledge,Bounded them to homeTo pluck the fruits we bore.But as the tyrant made his markThe world fell from sage,And the one bounded to homeHanded knowledge, could bring back the days of yore.The bounded did askBut at a knock deliver the message,Olympe’s head rolled homeFor to rule wasn’t the rightful choreBut fear was behind the mask,Fear for if knowledgeDid come,The tyrant’s image would soreFor as virtue knows no knackThe world is due for changeNot by some,But all who dwell in its core.2 weeks agoIdes of March (Written 1/5/08)What shall I compare to thee?Thou art fairestAll hearts faint at decreeOf thy name and breast.Thou beam the top of happy hoursWith smile worthy of regaliaScent of rosy flowersThat linger in the farthest of Ithaca.In thy eyes and words, thou loveBut thy stare & words beguileFor men’s happy does thy love removeAching misery from every angle.Beware her ambitions lay of harshFor thy love lead the Ides of March2 weeks agoBitter Blonde (Written 1/14/08)The smile that bore the sun,Bore the fruits of her anger,While the rat that feast upon her cornAt peace she found and let linger.The wishful greetings and praisesShe buried as taunt,In mist of amazing gracesFor doom she fought,Taking happy a foeFor constant were days of miseryLeaving bitter her soulIn strength, to fight days wearyBut thy heart does bleed with criesFor happy, in bitter hours2 weeks agoDays of yore (Ain’t no love) (Written 1/21/08)Feast upon the days of yore,The screams you howledThe strikes upon your faceThe tears you bled,The ego that stumbled from graceLeaving your soul at mirror sourAching for mercy,But thou love his gaze,So the strikesThou dismissAs orthodox affectionRefusing echo, in fear of apostasyBut sick of the marks you bore,Thou chased the dove,Only to fall for the maskDrawn by the wicks of loveSo my arms you leave, but all I ask;Feast upon the days of yore2 weeks agoDrunken Beauty (1/23/08)At drunk equilibriumMust’ve been my gazeFor thou looked queenRegalia worthy of praise.But as sheep be of wisdomSober my eyes foundAnd away with thy crownMy drunken gaze crownedLeaving disgust at each sightWith pure ridicule at the pedestalMy eyes then dim-witDeemed hideous crystal.At judgment, failing to realizeSome beauty drunk my eyes first!2 weeks agoM.L.K TRIBUTE (written 1/20/07)Admired and adored as an African,Before beslaved byCrude consciences coasting.Destroying divine dedication,Especially extirpating everyone encouragingFreedom, fighting furiously, fatally for fellowGentlemen granted God givenHappiness hindered heinously.Instead, ignorant inked individualsJargonized justice, justifyingK.K.K killings knowingly,Legally licensing liars.Miraculously, minds maneuvered mimicking MinervaNavigating Negroes neutering nonviolence.Outcrying, organized obviously oppressedPeoples, previously prisoned,Questionably quarantined.Relentlessly rumbled, raving, raging racists.Slaved, successfully saved, silently slainedTelling true tales.Undeniably united, U.S underhandedVerbally vocalized vivid visions.Would willing wine with wicked whites within*Xeres.Yielding youths yearningZION.* A town in Australia famous for its wine.2 weeks agoThe unorthodox die (Written 2/16/07)“Great men hardly die peacefully.”- Charles OnyewuchiIn many mindsThe world is better leftAs it is,Given the horrors of our past.Thus men who push for changeAlong with pioneersWith unorthodoxThinking, practices and beliefsAre most at riskOf meeting an early grave.For we as a societyDread to strayAwayFrom the norm- “our reality”Which justifies why great figuresLike M.L.K, Jesus and SocratesAll met death,For each either pushed for changeOr bore beliefs and idealsPremature for their time.Thence in an attempt to protect “reality”We eliminate them,Only to again ponder the goodOf walking the road they had envisioned.2 weeks agoB4 I go (Written 3/2/08)Fly, Fly, Flay away to the heavensTell the skies to tearAnd the starsTo fearLeave of pot of goldOn the chickAnd tear for meUnder the treeTap the drums of harmonyAnd dance the danceOf miseryMissing no beatWear the eyesOf the fortune tellerAnd tell me what thou see,What thou see clearGlare in the mirror of fateAnd plead for peace,Tell the prince of the nightNot to dagger the yearns of the oldAlas, tell the motherThat she did fineAnd the heavens do thankThe feast of greatness they wine….


Resolved Question: America allows...

October 04, 2008
posted by admin

You'd get no argument from me that these are very two extremes. Same sex marriage aren't exactly "orthodox." Having said that, polygamy isn't exactly "orthodox" either. It's just illegal here in America. Are the reasons valid?! Break down of the family?! Lost of identity? Children aren't being taken care of?! And that can't potentially happen with same sex marriages or heterosexual marriages?! I'm not an advocate or proponent of same sex or polygamy marriages. I'm just trying to understand the Government's decision on one group who can marry (gays) and the other group who can't (polygamist) They're both unorthodox. It's probably a mute point.The heading should have read "But is against polygamist." Sorry about that. : )Geeish my spelling is horrible this afternoon! It's FRIDAY! Moot point! Holy smokes! Thanks for pointing that out. : )"Polygamists - 1 man and several women. These men are selfish idiots, and the women who agree to this are insubordinate sheep."Heterosexual and same sex couples can be selfish idiots and women or men can act like insubordinate sheep as well. Your argument doesn't hold water.Our Government lacks valid reasoning period. : )Pandora's box has now been opened with same sex marriages. It's only a matter of time..............The man is allowed to marry more than one person in Polygamy. When you think about it, it is sexist but what's stopping women today from wanting to do the same thing? Like I said, Pandora's box.


Resolved Question: whats the meaning...

October 03, 2008
posted by admin

theres your normal stances like southpaw and so on and orthodox. But whats unorthadox mean.. and do you know a list of some unorthadox boxers to use as examples? thank you!


Resolved Question: Read and judge for...

October 01, 2008
posted by admin

NEVER BE PEACE (Written 8/8/07)The only answerTo absolute peaceIs buried in warWhich brings terror to humanity!If the worldWas bestowedWith absolute peace,Yes, we shall have no conflictsBut abolished will the basic humane instinct or privilegeTo revolt & question evil authorityAs souls quietly perishBy men of evil hiding beneath the wings of harmonyFor absolute peaceWon’t put good in men’s heartsRather, it would give them courageTo chase renegade,Committing heinous crimesIn a world utopiaWhere men hardly question, actNor shed a tearThus giving evil libertyAs world's citizens delay to actLeading the world into a pitfallFor they lack strength to heed the humanist call.So to prevent this crisis,The roadTo absolute peaceIs hidden where humane hearts dread!2 weeks ago3RD Rock Valley(Written 1/4/08)In the mare valley of wink,I bore witness to the heavens close;giant plates far from meekassembled to one to trap the foeFor precious were us,that his queen valley he gavebut our stabs of Cordayleft her a dead Marat.So with no linger of shamethat his queen we defame,his heavens he closed with intentthe sham´er dwell in the mist she rot.Then I un-winkedto see wrongs mounted on thy steedto blasphemy in recoil for thy meedby the tongues of thy deed,soon to leave 3rd rock valley closed.2 weeks agoTyrant (Written 12/20/07)We sat them in the darkSwallowed the key to knowledge,Bounded them to homeTo pluck the fruits we bore.But as the tyrant made his markThe world fell from sage,And the one bounded to homeHanded knowledge, could bring back the days of yore.The bounded did askBut at a knock deliver the message,Olympe’s head rolled homeFor to rule wasn’t the rightful choreBut fear was behind the mask,Fear for if knowledgeDid come,The tyrant’s image would soreFor as virtue knows no knackThe world is due for changeNot by some,But all who dwell in its core.2 weeks agoIdes of March (Written 1/5/08)What shall I compare to thee?Thou art fairestAll hearts faint at decreeOf thy name and breast.Thou beam the top of happy hoursWith smile worthy of regaliaScent of rosy flowersThat linger in the farthest of Ithaca.In thy eyes and words, thou loveBut thy stare & words beguileFor men’s happy does thy love removeAching misery from every angle.Beware her ambitions lay of harshFor thy love lead the Ides of March2 weeks agoBitter Blonde (Written 1/14/08)The smile that bore the sun,Bore the fruits of her anger,While the rat that feast upon her cornAt peace she found and let linger.The wishful greetings and praisesShe buried as taunt,In mist of amazing gracesFor doom she fought,Taking happy a foeFor constant were days of miseryLeaving bitter her soulIn strength, to fight days wearyBut thy heart does bleed with criesFor happy, in bitter hours2 weeks agoDays of yore (Ain’t no love) (Written 1/21/08)Feast upon the days of yore,The screams you howledThe strikes upon your faceThe tears you bled,The ego that stumbled from graceLeaving your soul at mirror sourAching for mercy,But thou love his gaze,So the strikesThou dismissAs orthodox affectionRefusing echo, in fear of apostasyBut sick of the marks you bore,Thou chased the dove,Only to fall for the maskDrawn by the wicks of loveSo my arms you leave, but all I ask;Feast upon the days of yore2 weeks agoDrunken Beauty (1/23/08)At drunk equilibriumMust’ve been my gazeFor thou looked queenRegalia worthy of praise.But as sheep be of wisdomSober my eyes foundAnd away with thy crownMy drunken gaze crownedLeaving disgust at each sightWith pure ridicule at the pedestalMy eyes then dim-witDeemed hideous crystal.At judgment, failing to realizeSome beauty drunk my eyes first!2 weeks agoM.L.K TRIBUTE (written 1/20/07)Admired and adored as an African,Before beslaved byCrude consciences coasting.Destroying divine dedication,Especially extirpating everyone encouragingFreedom, fighting furiously, fatally for fellowGentlemen granted God givenHappiness hindered heinously.Instead, ignorant inked individualsJargonized justice, justifyingK.K.K killings knowingly,Legally licensing liars.Miraculously, minds maneuvered mimicking MinervaNavigating Negroes neutering nonviolence.Outcrying, organized obviously oppressedPeoples, previously prisoned,Questionably quarantined.Relentlessly rumbled, raving, raging racists.Slaved, successfully saved, silently slainedTelling true tales.Undeniably united, U.S underhandedVerbally vocalized vivid visions.Would willing wine with wicked whites within*Xeres.Yielding youths yearningZION.* A town in Australia famous for its wine.2 weeks agoThe unorthodox die (Written 2/16/07)“Great men hardly die peacefully.”- Charles OnyewuchiIn many mindsThe world is better leftAs it is,Given the horrors of our past.Thus men who push for changeAlong with pioneersWith unorthodoxThinking, practices and beliefsAre most at riskOf meeting an early grave.For we as a societyDread to strayAwayFrom the norm- “our reality”Which justifies why great figuresLike M.L.K, Jesus and SocratesAll met death,For each either pushed for changeOr bore beliefs and idealsPremature for their time.Thence in an attempt to protect “reality”We eliminate them,Only to again ponder the goodOf walking the road they had envisioned.2 weeks agoB4 I go (Written 3/2/08)Fly, Fly, Flay away to the heavensTell the skies to tearAnd the starsTo fearLeave of pot of goldOn the chickAnd tear for meUnder the treeTap the drums of harmonyAnd dance the danceOf miseryMissing no beatWear the eyesOf the fortune tellerAnd tell me what thou see,What thou see clearGlare in the mirror of fateAnd plead for peace,Tell the prince of the nightNot to dagger the yearns of the oldAlas, tell the motherThat she did fineAnd the heavens do thankThe feast of greatness they wine….


Resolved Question: Christianity : The...

September 30, 2008
posted by admin

Ok. I made myself clear first, I am christian.One of the most cited example of typical christian scientist with enormous faith in God and the Bible is Sir Issac Newton.Now there are several reliable sources stated that :1) Newton faith in Christianity is kinda different from the Orthodox - that is the Christianity we as Christian now believe in. For instance, he did not believe in trinity, and hold the belief that God itself is superior compared to Holy Spirit and Jesus.2) He is a homosexual, and therefore this makes his remained unmarried.3)He is an alchemist, and he believe in Biblical prophecy and to a lesser extend, astrology. Now, what I mean here Biblical prophecy is completely different from what we Christians believe, like Jesus is coming back. His belief is more inclined towards something like Biblical code, mysterious stuff embedded in bible such as the pattern of the words.This deviated belief, in behind, is the extremely poweful drive which push him to keep pursuing science and the Words of God.Now, I didn't mean it is wrong for a Christian to come to know God through science. What I think is, his belief is quite unorthodox, something more like Mysticism rather than Jesus itself.Holding that kind of mysticism belief, does that mean God's salvation eluded him?Anyway, if you are interested in it, you can read the book : Issac Newton, The Last SorcererPS: NO EXTREME COMMENT OR FLAMES PLEASE, IT'S PURELY MY OPINION.http://www.2think.org/in.shtmlhttp://www.newtonproject.sussex.ac.uk/prism.php?id=40I should have put this in the science section.....


Resolved Question: Please take...

September 29, 2008
posted by admin

NEVER BE PEACE (Written 8/8/07)The only answerTo absolute peaceIs buried in warWhich brings terror to humanity!If the worldWas bestowedWith absolute peace,Yes, we shall have no conflictsBut abolished will the basic humane instinct or privilegeTo revolt & question evil authorityAs souls quietly perishBy men of evil hiding beneath the wings of harmonyFor absolute peaceWon’t put good in men’s heartsRather, it would give them courageTo chase renegade,Committing heinous crimesIn a world utopiaWhere men hardly question, actNor shed a tearThus giving evil libertyAs world's citizens delay to actLeading the world into a pitfallFor they lack strength to heed the humanist call.So to prevent this crisis,The roadTo absolute peaceIs hidden where humane hearts dread!2 weeks ago3RD Rock Valley(Written 1/4/08)In the mare valley of wink,I bore witness to the heavens close;giant plates far from meekassembled to one to trap the foeFor precious were us,that his queen valley he gavebut our stabs of Cordayleft her a dead Marat.So with no linger of shamethat his queen we defame,his heavens he closed with intentthe sham´er dwell in the mist she rot.Then I un-winkedto see wrongs mounted on thy steedto blasphemy in recoil for thy meedby the tongues of thy deed,soon to leave 3rd rock valley closed.2 weeks agoTyrant (Written 12/20/07)We sat them in the darkSwallowed the key to knowledge,Bounded them to homeTo pluck the fruits we bore.But as the tyrant made his markThe world fell from sage,And the one bounded to homeHanded knowledge, could bring back the days of yore.The bounded did askBut at a knock deliver the message,Olympe’s head rolled homeFor to rule wasn’t the rightful choreBut fear was behind the mask,Fear for if knowledgeDid come,The tyrant’s image would soreFor as virtue knows no knackThe world is due for changeNot by some,But all who dwell in its core.2 weeks agoIdes of March (Written 1/5/08)What shall I compare to thee?Thou art fairestAll hearts faint at decreeOf thy name and breast.Thou beam the top of happy hoursWith smile worthy of regaliaScent of rosy flowersThat linger in the farthest of Ithaca.In thy eyes and words, thou loveBut thy stare & words beguileFor men’s happy does thy love removeAching misery from every angle.Beware her ambitions lay of harshFor thy love lead the Ides of March2 weeks agoBitter Blonde (Written 1/14/08)The smile that bore the sun,Bore the fruits of her anger,While the rat that feast upon her cornAt peace she found and let linger.The wishful greetings and praisesShe buried as taunt,In mist of amazing gracesFor doom she fought,Taking happy a foeFor constant were days of miseryLeaving bitter her soulIn strength, to fight days wearyBut thy heart does bleed with criesFor happy, in bitter hours2 weeks agoDays of yore (Ain’t no love) (Written 1/21/08)Feast upon the days of yore,The screams you howledThe strikes upon your faceThe tears you bled,The ego that stumbled from graceLeaving your soul at mirror sourAching for mercy,But thou love his gaze,So the strikesThou dismissAs orthodox affectionRefusing echo, in fear of apostasyBut sick of the marks you bore,Thou chased the dove,Only to fall for the maskDrawn by the wicks of loveSo my arms you leave, but all I ask;Feast upon the days of yore2 weeks agoDrunken Beauty (1/23/08)At drunk equilibriumMust’ve been my gazeFor thou looked queenRegalia worthy of praise.But as sheep be of wisdomSober my eyes foundAnd away with thy crownMy drunken gaze crownedLeaving disgust at each sightWith pure ridicule at the pedestalMy eyes then dim-witDeemed hideous crystal.At judgment, failing to realizeSome beauty drunk my eyes first!2 weeks agoM.L.K TRIBUTE (written 1/20/07)Admired and adored as an African,Before beslaved byCrude consciences coasting.Destroying divine dedication,Especially extirpating everyone encouragingFreedom, fighting furiously, fatally for fellowGentlemen granted God givenHappiness hindered heinously.Instead, ignorant inked individualsJargonized justice, justifyingK.K.K killings knowingly,Legally licensing liars.Miraculously, minds maneuvered mimicking MinervaNavigating Negroes neutering nonviolence.Outcrying, organized obviously oppressedPeoples, previously prisoned,Questionably quarantined.Relentlessly rumbled, raving, raging racists.Slaved, successfully saved, silently slainedTelling true tales.Undeniably united, U.S underhandedVerbally vocalized vivid visions.Would willing wine with wicked whites within*Xeres.Yielding youths yearningZION.* A town in Australia famous for its wine.2 weeks agoThe unorthodox die (Written 2/16/07)“Great men hardly die peacefully.”- Charles OnyewuchiIn many mindsThe world is better leftAs it is,Given the horrors of our past.Thus men who push for changeAlong with pioneersWith unorthodoxThinking, practices and beliefsAre most at riskOf meeting an early grave.For we as a societyDread to strayAwayFrom the norm- “our reality”Which justifies why great figuresLike M.L.K, Jesus and SocratesAll met death,For each either pushed for changeOr bore beliefs and idealsPremature for their time.Thence in an attempt to protect “reality”We eliminate them,Only to again ponder the goodOf walking the road they had envisioned.2 weeks agoB4 I go (Written 3/2/08)Fly, Fly, Flay away to the heavensTell the skies to tearAnd the starsTo fearLeave of pot of goldOn the chickAnd tear for meUnder the treeTap the drums of harmonyAnd dance the danceOf miseryMissing no beatWear the eyesOf the fortune tellerAnd tell me what thou see,What thou see clearGlare in the mirror of fateAnd plead for peace,Tell the prince of the nightNot to dagger the yearns of the oldAlas, tell the motherThat she did fineAnd the heavens do thankThe feast of greatness they wine….


Resolved Question: Pregnant by one...

September 28, 2008
posted by admin

I am from a rich but very orthodox family. So, when I went to the USA instead of marrying an eligible man at 18 I was considered a rebel, an unorthodox person. I studied for 2 years at Berkeley university, California. There I met a young man, Norman Kellog, he studied to be an architect. I fell in love with him. It lasted for about a year, then I ended it because myfeelings were gone. I went back home, and settled to my life. One day Norman contacted me, he was in my city. I met him, we got carried away and had sex. I became pregnant. I knew that if I told my family, they would force me to have an abortion, because for them it was a child of an adventurer, some foreigner who would try to get them for money later on. I told about my troubles to Xavier - he is my aunt's Emma godson. We were friendly and have been attracted to each other for some time. Xavier asked me to marry him. He wants us to pretend that it is his own child. What should I do?


Resolved Question: Do you know the...

September 27, 2008
posted by admin

It was only by the authority of the Catholic Church, which collected the various books of Scripture in the fourth century, that we have a Christian Bible at all. And it is only because of the Church that the Bible survived and was taught for the many centuries before the printing press made it widely available.John Wycliff had produced a translation of the Bible, that was corrupt and full of heresy. It was not an accurate rendering of sacred Scripture. Both the Church and the secular authorities condemned it and did their best to prevent it from being used to teach false doctrine and morals. Because of the scandal it caused, the Synod of Oxford passed a law in 1408 that prevented any unauthorized translation of the Bible into English and also forbade the reading of such unauthorized translations.Tyndale was an English priest of no great fame who desperately desired to make his own English translation of the Bible. The Church denied him for several reasons.First, it saw no real need for a new English translation of the Scriptures at this time. In fact, booksellers were having a hard time selling the print editions of the Bible that they already had. Sumptuary laws had to be enacted to force people into buying them. Second, we must remember that this was a time of great strife and confusion for the Church in Europe. The Reformation had turned the continent into a very volatile place. So far, England had managed to remain relatively unscathed, and the Church wanted to keep it that way. It was thought that adding a new English translation at this time would only add confusion and distraction where focus was needed.Lastly, if the Church had decided to provide a new English translation of Scripture, Tyndale would not have been the man chosen to do it. He was known as only a mediocre scholar and had gained a reputation as a priest of unorthodox opinions and a violent temper. He was infamous for insulting the clergy, from the pope down to the friars and monks, and had a genuine contempt for Church authority. In fact, he was first tried for heresy in 1522, three years before his translation of the New Testament was printed. His own bishop in London would not support him in this cause.Finding no support for his translation from his bishop, he left England and came to Worms, where he fell under the influence of Martin Luther. There in 1525 he produced a translation of the New Testament that was swarming with textual corruption. He willfully mistranslated entire passages of Sacred Scripture in order to condemn orthodox Catholic doctrine and support the new Lutheran ideas. The Bishop of London claimed that he could count over 2,000 errors in the volume (and this was just the New Testament). And we must remember that this was not merely a translation of Scripture. His text included a prologue and notes that were so full of contempt for the Catholic Church and the clergy that no one could mistake his obvious agenda and prejudice. Did the Catholic Church condemn this version of the Bible? Of course it did.The secular authorities condemned it as well. Anglicans are among the many today who laud Tyndale as the "father of the English Bible." But it was their own founder, King Henry VIII, who in 1531 declared that "the translation of the Scripture corrupted by William Tyndale should be utterly expelled, rejected, and put away out of the hands of the people."So troublesome did Tyndale’s Bible prove to be that in 1543—after his break with Rome—Henry again decreed that "all manner of books of the Old and New Testament in English, being of the crafty, false, and untrue translation of Tyndale . . . shall be clearly and utterly abolished, extinguished, and forbidden to be kept or used in this realm."Ultimately, it was the secular authorities that proved to be the end for Tyndale. He was arrested and tried (and sentenced to die) in the court of the Holy Roman Emperor in 1536. His translation of the Bible was heretical because it contained heretical ideas—not because the act of translation was heretical in and of itself. In fact, the Catholic Church would produce a translation of the Bible into English a few years later (The Douay-Reims version, whose New Testament was released in 1582 and whose Old Testament was released in 1609).When discussing the history of Biblical translations, it is very common for people to toss around names like Tyndale and Wycliff. But the full story is seldom given. This present case of a gender-inclusive edition of the Bible is a wonderful opportunity for Fundamentalists to reflect and realize that the reason they don’t approve of this new translation is the same reason that the Catholic Church did not approve of Tyndale’s or Wycliff’s. These are corrupt translations, made with an agenda, and not accurate renderings of sacred Scripture.And here at least Fundamentalists and Catholics are in ready agreement: Don’t mess with the Word of God.


Resolved Question: I am a left arm...

September 26, 2008
posted by admin

Well, I mean that am I an off-spinner, leg-spinner, am I orthodox/unorthodox, am I a chinaman?I bowl a ball going from the left of the wicket (offstump) to the right (leg stump) so a wrist motion.I also bowl a backspin ball, a 'wrong un' (a ball going from right to left) and a quicker topspinner. - can you tell me what type of ball is bowled with 1 and 3 alternative balls? (flipper, slider, googly, doosra etc.)Thanks for your help!*EDIT* I'll have to give it to the first answer (smars) because he got 4/5 correct, I know however I cannot bowl a doosra as it is the hardest ball in the world to ball and only approx. 10 people can bowl an effective doosra, after researching further, my 3rd alternative ball is a flipper, thanks for all your answers and especially the compliments - I can't give you best answer but thanks for making me feel good about my cricket - had a match this morning, got 5-30 :D


Resolved Question: What are the...

September 25, 2008
posted by admin

What specific beliefs, practices, traditions, and attitudes define Wicca? What are the ideas and traits that every Wiccan shares? What specific beliefs, practices, traditions, and attitudes define a non-Wiccan? Basically, "All Wiccans do this. . . . And if they do that. . . . they're not Wiccan."So, I'm not just asking you to define Wicca, I'm asking you to identify what is "orthodox" and "unorthodox" within Wicca.Maybe "orthodox" is too strong a word, but. . . Should Wicca have a definition? Or, should anyone be allowed to make something up and call it Wicca? What would be the consequences of that, for good or ill?Stephen, thank you for posting this. These "Principles of Wiccan Belief" were adopted by the Council of American Witches in April of 1974 (according to Uncle Bucky's Big Blue Book, pages 12 to 13). I'll have to look this up, to find out the history of this -- I think it's in Drawing Down the Moon.So, anybody object to these?


Resolved Question: Orthodox or...

September 24, 2008
posted by admin

Which ever one you chose please explain why you think it relates to the way you are? or think?


Resolved Question: so how do you know...

September 23, 2008
posted by admin

you have the one catholic bible, who I believe is the same writings in all the bibles that support the catholic faith. I believe it is just one book right???? not all these translations??????and you have the Orthodox(or unorthodox??) bible.I can not get God to answer me on the way. Silent. one bible has 6 added books(Catholic) and the other does not, KJV and etc.So I do not read the bible, for I have no oil in my lamp. Till God puts the oil in the lamp, then I will see the path.flaws. Catholic bible, have none that I know of.orthodox bible, there are 650 different bibles and it is still the # 1 seller in the world, talk about OIL. but this is still not enough proof, because I am pentecostal and the Catholics have a whole different religion. I have to see with my spirit on the truth, not by my eye's....but if you are wise enough to stir my heart, I welcome you to try? So if you can help me it would be great?not to mention 650 different english bibles. I mean GEEESnot to mention there are 6 books or chpt added to the catholic bible, and 6 books missing from KJV bibles.I am talking about the bible, not the church. I am sure that church has done things they are not suppose to do as what is in the bible. Forget about the church. THE BIBLE. I am sure the teachings in there book dos not say to have a inquister, and pay for sins and stuff....but what do I know???


Resolved Question: what does...

September 22, 2008
posted by admin

what does unorthodox and orthodox meanand unconventional and conventional?thanks!


Resolved Question: Why is the...

September 21, 2008
posted by admin

And not other spiritual beliefs, which seem to be mainly spoken about in the mythology section.Unorthodox beliefs are not myths. Infact as far as I'm concerned it's the orthodox ones that are myths. So why are these other things not spoken about in the spirituality section, where they should be?


Resolved Question: Why should I keep...

September 20, 2008
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I was thinking about changing my name to Abdullah Muhammad Ahmad. I'm using Abdullah Muhammad Ahmad as my pseudonym. But some other Muslims say I can't drop my surname (change it). It's orthodox to retain the surname but unorthodox to replace it. I rather go with the unorthodox way because it too have to say to some people, uncommon, and adoption of religion/culture purposes. I have a long last name with 10 letters. Writing and spelling is like this: C*o*a*a*d*. I may want to adopt a Arabic/Muslim because I'm Muslim and Arabic is important in my religion. My family is from Thailand where one one family can use a given last name so the last name I'm having is too long. I'm the only Muslim in my family. My family are all Buddhists. I would like the family to adopt a new surname since we may have that surname that is too long. My future family will be "Muslim". Should I keep my surname or I have choice to change it?


Resolved Question: what is the entity...

September 18, 2008
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I am doing an assignment and one of the questions asks me to use the entity theory (orthodox) and then the entity theory (unorthodox), but I am unsure of what these are. Can anyone explain them to me?


Resolved Question: Healing...

September 17, 2008
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I'm just curious maybe....but the techniques used like stroking, and pummelling, twisting, and massaging are uesd in both orthodox, and unorthodox therapies, i know for sure that touch is very therapeutic anyway but can a person really heal another's ailments through touch?......and has it been proved?


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Resolved Question: What Do You Think...

September 15, 2008
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Jesus gave us a loving pattern to follow in regards to talking to our brother or sister and confronting them with either (1) problems in our relationships, or (2) with regards to unconfessed sin on their part. In Matthew 18:15-18, Jesus outlines three steps to take in talking to your brother, in attempting to settle difficulties or to right the wrong. If the three steps prove unfruitful, he says, "Let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax-gatherer." Math. 18:17b In Paul's correspondence with the Corinthians, he had heard of a fellow Christian who was cohabiting with his stepmother, and he wrote the Corinthians and told them not to associate "with any so-called brother if he should be an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not to even eat with such a one..." (1 Cor. 5:11) Similar counsel was given regarding unruly ones in the church, who would not respond to initial counseling (2 Thes. 3:14,15). But in the case of the Corinthians, both the church and the individual failed to respond, and so Paul wrote them and said, "Remove the wicked man from among yourselves."The purpose of disfellowshiping is (1) to cause the repentance of the errant Christian; (2) to remove a stumbling stone from the church, so that others would not be infected (1 Cor. 5:6,7); (3) to instill the others with fear of God's judgment for pursuing a wrong course, and (4) to keep the church free from a marred reputation with the world (Rom. 2:23,24). If the errant brother was to seek forgiveness and display heartfelt repentance for his actions and attitude, he was to be forgiven and accepted back into the church. Thus he would not be overly abused by Satan, whose authority he had temporarily come under by being cast out into the world (2 Cor. 2:10,11). The tendency for unloving elders to abuse their authority is usually checked by the church having little authority over the lives of its members. But if the church or religious organization becomes an ecclesiastical system which demands absolute subjection to its authority, the Scriptures become a powerful tool to browbeat and coerce the individual into submission, out of fear of losing something very valuable to him. Elders are therefore counseled to walk in humility (1 Peter 5:16) and to become examples to the body (1 Tim. 4:12). They are to have tender affection for others (Rom. 12:10). Yet at the same time, they are to be ready to pray for the sick (James 5:14,15), correct those stepping out of line (Gal. 6:1), stop gossip and misleading talk (1 Tim. 1:37; Titus 1:9), and to warn the flock against false doctrine and false teachers or ideas that may be present in the body (Rom. 16:17,18; Titus 3:10,11. If necessary in order to protect the flock, the offender is to be marked as bad association (2 Thess. 3:14,15) or disfellowshiped (1 Cor. 5:11-13). Considering 2 John 9, 10: In this passage, the elder John minces no words in warning against teachers who went too far beyond the gospel, in promoting new teachings which denied the real meaning of the gospel. By the end of the first century, there were already many such teachers, notably the Gnostics and Docetists. To protect the church from false teaching, the apostle makes the acceptance of visiting Christians conditional on their confession that "Christ is come in the flesh" (2 John 7). The Greek verb used is in a present continuous sense, as contrasted with 1 John 4:2 and 1 John 5:6, where Christ is spoken of as having come in the flesh (past tense perspective). Howard Marshall, in The Epistles of John, states: It seems unlikely . . . that the false teachers simply denied the reality of the incarnation. The use of the present and perfect tenses becomes significant if the point is that Jesus Christ had come and still existed "in flesh." We know that some Gnostic thinkers taught that a heavenly power (the Christ) came upon Jesus at his baptism in the form of the Spirit, but that it departed from him again after the crucifixion, so that there was no lasting union of the divine Christ with the human Jesus, and hence no real, lasting incarnation. The elder's formulation of the orthodox faith in Jesus Christ seems to be designed to exclude such interpretations of the person of Jesus. For him it was axiomatic that there had been a true incarnation, that the Word had become flesh and remained flesh. (p. 70, 71) If this interpretation is true, then those who deny that Christ presently has a glorified body of flesh would be classed among the antichrists, and not only certain unorthodox groups in the first century. Jehovah's Witnesses And Disfellowshiping Jehovah's Witnesses practice disfellowshiping, not only for unrepentant sinners, but also for a number of other reasons. Since 1973, for instance, a member who smokes is subject to disfellowshiping. So would be those who work directly in defense departments or the military, or who are employed by any kind of religious organization. Walking into a church could merit this penalty, as could taking a blood transfusion, saluting the flag (or any act of patriotism), celebrating holidays, talking to a disfellowshiped person (including relatives), disagreeing with ANY doctrinal points, and the list of punishable offenses grows greater each year. It was not always so legalistic in the Watchtower. Like many religious movements, grace abounds in the beginning; but as they get more structured, rules and regulations take the place of grace and mercy. Note this early statement by the Watchtower: We would not refuse to treat one as a brother because he did not believe the Society is the Lord's channel. If others see it in a different way, that is their privilege. There should be full liberty of conscience. WT April 1, 1920, p. 100, 101. It didn't take long, however, for the "persecuted" to become the persecutors. By 1930, those who disagreed with President Rutherford were classed as "evil slaves" and were classed with the "man of perdition," to be destroyed. (WT 1930, p. 275-281) In 1952, a distinct disfellowshiping policy was laid out. Witnesses were not to even say a greeting to disfellowshiped ones. The March 1, 1952 Watchtower said, "Those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say 'Hello' or 'Goodbye' to him. He is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him." (p. 141) By 1955, associating with a disfellowshiped person was grounds for disfellowshiping for a JW. (WT 1955, p. 607.) In January of 1972 it was declared that homosexuality and bestiality by one's marriage partner were not considered as porneia (fornication), and were therefore not grounds for divorce (Matt. 5:32). If one divorced under such conditions, he would lay himself open to adultery and could be disfellowshiped. (WT Jan. 1, 1972, p. 32.) Yet, by December of the very same year, they had reversed their stand, saying that ALL types of illicit sexual intercourse are grounds for divorce, including the above-mentioned acts. (WT December 15, 1972, p. 767, 768.) By 1974, the Governing Body entered the bedrooms of their subjects. Standards of conduct were laid out for married couples in bed. Oral or anal sex, or anything classified as a "perversion" or "unnatural practices" in the sex act would subject them to disfellowshiping. (WT November 15, 1974, p. 704. See also WT of 1974 pages 160, 484-486.) Oddly enough, in April of '74 they had seemingly relaxed the tension towards disfellowshiped persons. In the April l974 WT, for instance, on page 467, they said: Congregation elders, as well as individual members of a congregation, therefore, ought to guard against developing an attitude approaching that which some Jewish Rabbinical writers fomented towards Gentiles in viewing them as virtual enemies. The gist of the article was that disfellowshiped ones were not to be treated with unnecessary cruelty; especially members of one's family or those in obvious hardship situations. They stated that 'we don't want to be like Pharisees' who walked on the other side of the road when a Gentile was in trouble. (WT Aug. 1, 1974, p. 467.) With the Feb. 15th issue of 1978, the bedroom rules were now not to be enforced by elders, and publishers were not to be intimidated or spied on any more; although the previously banned practices were still considered unclean. (p. 32) A reversal of this trend of grace was in store for the '80's, however. With the unrest in the organization over the 1975 debacle, and now the headquarters shakeup in 1980, a hard line was taken in 1981 against any disfellowshiped or disassociated person. The Light Gets Blighter With the failure of 1975 to bring the end of the world, as well as the headquarters shakeup in 1980, a hard line was taken in 1981 against any disfellowshiped or disassociated person. Even if they were members of one's own family, they were now to be shunned except in the most necessary functions of life. (WT Sept. 15, 1981, p. 26-31 under "If a Relative is Disfellowshiped.") The Watchtower plainly says that Witnesses shouldn't even say 'hello' to a person who has left the organization. On page 25 of this magazine they say: And we all know from our experience over the years that a simple "Hello" to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowshiped person? In spite of the ban, however, some Witnesses were speaking out in discontent or disagreement with the Watchtower. An even greater number were subject to "witch hunts" where suspected dissenters were asked a series of questions to determine if they still believed the Society was "God's channel of communication." Many of those questioned were automatically disfellowshiped, often without a fair trial and in secret meetings. Yet, the word got out through the grapevine that all was not well with the Watchtower's doctrine. A special problem began to develop within families where one dissenter might speak to several others, and yet remain concealed from the eyes of the elders. In order to choke the grapevine, the Watchtower of January l, l983 (p. 30,31) contained a "Questions From Readers" article on "How can we assist those in our congregation who have a disfellowshiped relative?"In the first part of the article, they attack the "heart condition" of such a person, denying any possibility that they may have left the organization for a valid reason. Here is a sample quote: It is to illustrate that if someone is disfellowshiped, he must at the time have had a truly bad heart and/or been determined to pursue a God-dishonoring course. Peter said that the condition of such a person is worse than before he became a Christian; he is like "a sow that was bathed but has gone back to rolling in the mire."However, the Watchtower reluctantly acknowledged that people are human (an ever-present hindrance to their techniques). They continued: But human emotions and attachments can have a powerful effect, making it difficult for people to act in accord with the disfellowshiping decree if a relative is involved. As the article continues, those who left the organization (including relatives) were put down for interfering with the rest of the family's "happiness." Using an illustration involving three generations of a family: (1) children, (2) parents who have been disfellowshiped, and (3) the grandparents (who are typical JWs), they comment: Of course, the grandparents have to determine if some necessary family matters require limited contact with the(ir) disfellowshiped children. And they might sometimes have the grandchildren visit them. How sad, though, that by their unchristian course the children interfere with the normal pleasure that such grandparents enjoyed! However, the reader must see some vestige of human consideration in the midst of this relentless tirade. So the following sentence, humorous in its irony, is injected: We just need to go out of our way to be warm, genuinely interested and, above all, spiritual. The attack continues with the example of a couple, one of which is disfellowshiped: ". . . the expelled mate has proved that he is not the sort of person that we want to be around...So maybe a visit can be made when the disfellowshiped one is known to be out of the house. So, in other words, the Watchtower has, indeed, gone so far as to develop the attitude of the Jewish Rabbinical writers in Jesus' day and have no doubt surpassed them on occasion. Not only are Witnesses currently not to speak to anyone who may leave the organization, but they are to avoid them like the plague. Those who have seen this attitude in practice could add that JWs usually avoid even making eye contact with such persons, and might even move out of the neighborhood. This has happened in some cases. It is all part of the attitude that they must "punish" those that leave, and this punishment is almost always of a psychological nature. Due to an increase in lawsuits directed against the Watchtower over disfellowshiping since the late '70's, the Society officially stopped disfellowshiping people who voluntarily want out of the organization as of July 1, 1984. Though provision had previously been made for this in the book, Organization For Kingdom Preaching published in 1972, virtually all were disfellowshiped who disassociated from the Watchtower, regardless of the reason. Though this practice has continued in some cases since the July 1st article, others are now allowed to be considered as "disassociated," though the treatment is the same as if they were disfellowshiped. However, evil motives or wicked sins are automatically attributed to those who wish to disassociate. Notice the way the Watchtower expresses their thoughts regarding these ones: Or, as mentioned in John 6:66, occasionally a Witness on his own initiative will decide to leave the way of truth. He may even make known his decision after the committee begins to look into his wrongdoing. . . . Then it will no longer be necessary for the elders to continue their investigation. (WT 7/1/84, p. 31) The implication is that he is a "wrongdoer" either because he is leaving, or more likely, because he is involved in some kind of sin. The December 15, 1984 WT added this barb in an effort to prevent Witnesses from learning too much: We have been forewarned that there will be apostates and people who just like to have their ears tickled. Counsel such as at 2 John 9-11, 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 and 2 Timothy 3:5 allows no room for associating with those who turn away from the truth. Nor do we purchase or read their writings. (p. 19) It became obvious that too many were still questioning the Watchtower, reading literature that exposed their past, or were talking to disfellowshiped relatives. So in the July 15, 1985 WT, the Governing Body applied the injunction in 2 John 10 (against antichrists) to those that disassociate themselves. No mention at all is made of the context of this passage (verse 7 tells us that these ones deny Christ as come in the flesh). Nevertheless, the penalty meant for true apostate teachers is now applied to ANYONE disassociating himself. The article is not specific as to whether this total shunning is to be carried out with relatives living in one's own home or not. Quoting from their AID book in reference to "apostates," they say, Such ones willfully abandoning the Christian congregation thereby become part of the "antichrist." (1 John 2:18,19) A person who had willfully and formally disassociated himself from the congregation would have matched that description. (p. 31) The Witnesses are then counseled not to even say a simple greeting to such ones, and to avoid having them in their houses at all. In the case of a married mate being an "apostate," there might be concessions made, though this is not indicated here. Still, some Witnesses continued to entertain doubts and talk about these in private. In November of 1985, the Watchtower warned its readers of "sharing in the sins of others." How might they do this? By failing to tell the elders of a fellow brother or sister who is a "wrongdoer." Since being a "wrongdoer" includes disagreeing with the Watchtower, members are encouraged to tattle on friends and relatives who hold to any variation from Watchtower doctrine. If they don't, then they share in the "apostate's" sin. (WT Nov. 15, 1985, p. 19,20) The Governing Body is taking the stand that those who reject any of the teachings of the 'mother' organization are 'apostasizing' from the true Christian faith. The March 15, 1986 issue of The Watchtower even provides the reader with visual aids, as it shows a picture of a JW demonstrating how to throw 'apostate' literature away as soon as it hits the mailbox. They say, Now, what will you do if you are confronted with apostate teaching-subtle reasonings-claiming that what you believe as one of Jehovah's Witnesses is not the truth? For example, what will you do if you receive a letter or some literature, open it and see right away that it is from an apostate? Will curiosity cause you to read it, just to see what he has to say? You may even reason: "It won't affect me; I'm too strong in the truth. And, besides, if we have the truth, we have nothing to fear. The truth will stand the test." In thinking this way, some have fed their minds upon apostate reasoning and have fallen prey to serious questioning and doubt. (p. 12) Therefore, resolve in your heart that you will never even touch the poison that apostates want you to sip. (p. 20) The Governing Body is cultivating in the minds of their followers an abject fear of any dissenters. They thereby hope to cause the Witnesses to run at the sight of anything that seriously challenges their authority. In the April 1, 1986 issue of The Watchtower, an effort is made to support their disfellowshiping of those who disagree in the slightest with Watchtower teaching. They accuse the clergy of having no authority because they are not able to agree on all matters of doctrine. Then they take Galatians 1:8,9 out of context in order to "prove" that the churches are teaching a different gospel than the apostle Paul, which is not true. They quote 1 Cor. 1:10 as an attempt to "prove" that the early church was not divided, but the context of the verse proves the opposite, since the Corinthians DID have a problem with divisions. Paul never actually says they settled the differences, either. Furthermore, the church was full of divisions over minor issues according to the Revelation of John (chapter 13). A key statement is then made: Approved association with Jehovah's Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. What do such beliefs include? (p. 31) They then list the beliefs necessary: 1) Their view on the issue of God's sovereignty. 2) Jesus was a preexistent creature prior to his birth. 3) The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are the sole interpreters of the Bible. 4) Christ returned in 1914 and set up his kingdom in heaven. 5) 144,000 will go to heaven. 6) Armageddon is near, followed by the Paradise earth, where the rest of the Witnesses will live. The Governing Body is thusly confusing the issue, by painting a false picture of the New Testament church. The church was divided on many things, according to the New Testament. On the major doctrinal issues they agreed, though, such as the message of the gospel (1 Cor. 15:3,4), the incarnation of Christ (1 John 4:2; 2 John 7), and that he is the promised Messiah in the Jewish context (1 John 2:22,23). Later heresies would demand further clarifications of orthodoxy, such as the Deity of Christ, the means of salvation, etc. The orthodox churches today are in agreement on these issues. Furthermore, the Witnesses admit that, since 1918, they have been teaching a "new gospel not taught in centuries past," namely, the invisible return of Christ and setting up the kingdom in 1914 (WT 5/1/81, p.17). Therefore, they, not the churches, fall under the condemnation of Gal. 1:8,9 of preaching a different gospel, and a different Jesus (2 Cor. 11:4). As time goes on, we can expect the Watchtower to become even more paranoid regarding the questioning of their authority or doctrine. This is largely for two reasons: (1) there is an ever-increasing amount of information available that exposes their scholastic dishonesty, and (2) there is an ever-increasing number of dissenters who will not remain silent. Their only recourse (assuming they want to maintain their present absolute authority over their members) is to fortify the "Watchtower Curtain" against people defecting towards freedom. Please pray with us that this curtain will be lifted. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------reprinted from the Bethel Ministries Newsletter of Jan/Feb 1987 SIMON SAYS . . . Shun Your Own Family by Joe and Helen Ortega and Randy Watters "Simon says" is a game normally played by children; a kind of follow the leader. Sometimes, however, it is played by adults, with serious consequences. This article is about such consequences, as observed among Jehovah's Witnesses. It was not too long ago that this Newsletter ran two articles on disfellowshiping, so I apologize for any redundancy. Perhaps after reading the letters written to us in this issue, you will understand why there is a need for another article. There are some days I cannot hold back the tears when I read these letters and see the pain and suffering that so many are experiencing upon leaving the Watchtower. As we know, the Jehovah's Witness families of such ones are encouraged to treat them worse than a stranger. The outcast is to be shunned without an acknowledgment of their existence and the treatment is to be devoid of human courtesy and compassion. To those not familiar with the Watchtower organization, such treatment is shocking. Indeed, it is a far cry from the description Jesus gave on how to recognize his disciples. He said we would know them by their love (1 John 13:35). The following is an example of the treatment given to a man who resigned from the Watchtower Society when he realized they were not "the truth." His wife divorced him when he left the WT. She is still a Witness. He had a severe automobile accident and spent weeks in the hospital from extensive head injuries. He writes: My ex-wife never once let the children call to see how I was or even send me a card. Not one Jehovah's Witness ever came by or wrote a note to see how I was. However, I was blessed to have some good Christian friends call me and come by the hospital. Another letter is from a lady who was never a Jehovah's Witness. Her daughter became a Witness. The lady's "crime" was being a Christian and attending a Christian church. She writes these heartbreaking words: "She has stopped coming to see me and she will not bring my grandchildren either. Please tell me what I can do?"Still another letter states: "After I was disfellowshiped, my entire family would have nothing to do with me. I cannot see my daughter or her children. It has been 5 years."A man in Florida writes: "I have four daughters and I haven't seen them in three years. They are Jehovah's Witnesses." A young woman from Chicago wrote recently: It is hard for my children to understand why they cannot go to their grandmother's funeral. She died a Jehovah's Witness and the entire family are Witnesses. They were asked not to come because I was disfellowshiped. They really don't understand. Why does this so-called Bible-believing organization have such unscriptural and heartless rules that break up family ties? Let's reexamine their explanations from various Watchtower magazines. As far back as 1963 they said, [Disfellowshiping] serves as a powerful warning example to those in the congregation, since they will be able to see the disastrous consequences of ignoring Jehovah's laws. Paul said: "Reprove before all onlookers persons who practice sin, that the rest also may have fear."1 Tim. 5:20. (WT 7/1/63, p.411) While disfellowshiping for unrepentant gross sins is biblically proper (1 Cor. 5:13), the WT cuts off anyone who disagrees in the slightest with Watchtower policy or teaching; one of the many reasons they are recognized as a cult. (For a full treatment of the Scriptural reasons for disfellowshiping, see the March/June issues of this Newsletter.) To be disfellowshiped by the elders of the Watchtower (even over minor doctrinal issues) means being totally shunned by God as well: It is a great tragedy for one to be disfellowshiped. For this means a cutting off from Jehovah and his favor. The disfellowshiping action taken by the congregation is merely the confirmation of what has already taken place in the heavens. These visible agents of God [the elders] merely acknowledge what Jehovah has already done in heaven. (emphasis added) A disfellowshiped person is cut off from the congregation, and the congregation has nothing to do with him. Those in the congregation will not extend the hand of fellowship to this one, nor will they so much as say "Hello" or "Good-bye" to him. (ibid., p.411,412) [The members of the congregation] will not converse with such one or show him recognition in any way. If the disfellowshiped person attempts to talk to others in the congregation, they should walk away from him. In this way he will feel the full import of his sin. . . . the disfellowshiped person who wants to do what is right should inform any approaching him in innocence that he is disfellowshiped and they should not be conversing with him. (ibid., p.413; emphasis added) What about blood ties? The July 15, 1963 Watchtower (p. 443) goes into this question in detail. They consider the family who does not live under the same roof as well as the family who lives together. They insist if he does not live under the same roof, the only contact with him would be when absolutely necessary. Let's look at their words. Under the title, "Family Responsibility in Keeping Jehovah's Worship Pure" they refer to the relative not living in the home: What if a person cut off from God's congregation unexpectedly visits dedicated relatives? What should the Christian do then? If this is the first occurrence of such visit, the dedicated Christian can, if his conscience permits, carry on family courtesies on that particular occasion. However, if his conscience does not permit, he is under no obligation to do so. If courtesies are extended, though, the Christian should make it clear that this will not be made a regular practice. . . . The excommunicated relative should be made to realize that his visits are not now welcomed as they were previously when he was walking correctly with Jehovah. (WT 7/15/63, p.443,444) The Watchtower follows up with how to treat the disfellowshiped mate who is living under the same roof: If the excommunicated husband insists on offering prayer at mealtimes, the dedicated members of the household would not say "Amen" to the prayer, nor would they join hands as some have the custom, as this would be participating spiritually. They could bow their heads and offer their own silent prayer to Jehovah. (ibid., p.446) But wait! "New light" from Jehovah? Ten years later it seemed that God changed his attitude and rules regarding the cutoff ones and decided to show love and mercy to them. Note the August 1, 1974 Watchtower (p. 467) under the heading, "Maintaining a Balanced View Toward the Disfellowshiped One": Congregation elders, as well as individual members of a congregation, therefore, ought to guard against developing an attitude approaching that which some Jewish Rabbinical writers fomented towards Gentiles in viewing them as virtual enemies. It is right to hate the wrong committed by the disfellowshiped one, but it is not right to hate the person nor is it right to treat such ones in an inhumane way. (WT 8/1/74, p.467) . . . not "mixing in company" with a person, or treating such one as "a man of the nations," does not prevent us from being decent, courteous, considerate and humane. (ibid., p.468) Yet, even during this time of liberality, shunning (in the form of holding back one's affection) was practiced: . . . How, then, can parents carry out the injunction to discipline their children in harmony with God's Word when one of their children is disfellowshiped? They can still use God's Word or other publications that discuss the Bible in training the son or daughter, but they use these in a corrective manner, not as though having a spiritual `good time' with such a one in the way they could with the other children. How this is handled is for the parents to decide. This does not call for unkindness, but they do not accord such disfellowshiped son or daughter the same approved spiritual relationship granted the others. (ibid., p.470; emphasis added) One can only imagine how this "special treatment" affected such unfortunate children. Simon says . . . "Take a harder line."Reading the statements about being "courteous and humane" sounds as if God changed his mind and felt pity and compassion for the erring ones. Sadly, this was not the case. Jehovah, according to the Watchtower Society, went back to the "old light" as "new light." Once again the unloving, unfeeling hatred for those cutoff ones was brought back. The Jan. 1, 1983 Watchtower accused any who may be disfellowshiped (for whatever reason) of having a "truly bad heart" or pursuing a course of wickedness: It is to illustrate that if someone is disfellowshiped, he must at the time have had a truly bad heart and/or been determined to pursue a God-dishonoring course. Peter said that the condition of such a person is worse than before he became a Christian; he is like "a sow that was bathed but has gone back to rolling in the mire." (p.30) The Watchtower did reluctantly acknowledge that people are human. They continued: But human emotions and attachments can have a powerful effect, making it difficult for people to act in accord with the disfellowshiping decree if a relative is involved. (ibid., p.31) The attack continues with the example of a couple, one of which is disfellowshiped. When other Witnesses come to visit the couple, they must exercise caution, for . . . the expelled mate has proved that he is not the sort of person that we want to be around. . . So maybe a visit can be made when the disfellowshiped one is known to be out of the house. (ibid., p.31) While Jehovah's Witnesses would have you believe that those who are disfellowshiped are gross sinners who were rightfully disfellowshiped according to the Bible (1 Cor. 5:13; 2 John 9-11), the truth of the matter is, many of those disfellowshiped simply disagreed with some particular teaching of the organization. Raymond Franz, former member of the Watchtower's Governing Body in New York, writes: I know many persons who clearly evidence [a] concern [for truth], yet who are labeled as "apostates,""antichrists,""instruments of Satan." In case after case after case, the sole basis for such condemnation is that they could not honestly agree with all the organization's teaching or policies. (Crisis of Conscience, Atlanta: Commentary Press, 1983, p. 32) Franz describes disfellowshiping thusly: What must it mean to a mother, who has seen a baby daughter come forth from her own body, has nursed that baby, cared for it through illness, has trained the young girl through the formative years of life, living her problems with her, feeling her disappointments and sadnesses as if they were her own, shedding tears along with her tears-what must it mean to that mother to have her daughter, now an adult, suddenly reject her and do so simply because her mother sought to be true to her conscience and to God? What must it do to a father or mother to see a son or daughter marry and be told, for the same reason, that `it would be best if they did not appear at the wedding,' or know that a daughter has given birth to a child and be told that they should not come to see their grandchild? This is not imagination. Exactly those things are happening to many parents who have been associated with Jehovah's Witnesses. (ibid., p.33) Witnesses are currently instructed not to speak to anyone who may leave the organization, and are to avoid them like the plague. Those who have seen this attitude in practice could add that JWs usually avoid even making eye contact with such persons, and might even move out of the neighborhood. This has happened in some cases. It is all part of the attitude that they must "punish" those that leave, and this punishment is almost always of a psychological nature. Evil motives or wicked sins are automatically attributed to those who wish to disassociate. Notice the way the Watchtower automatically implies they are "wrongdoers": Or, as mentioned in John 6:66, occasionally a Witness on his own initiative will decide to leave the way of truth. He may even make known his decision after the committee begins to look into his wrongdoing. . . . Then it will no longer be necessary for the elders to continue their investigation. (WT 7/1/84, p. 31; emphasis added) The implication is that he is a "wrongdoer"; either because he is leaving, or more likely, because he is involved in some kind of sin. Simon Says . . . "Close Your Eyes"The December 15, 1984 WT added this barb in an effort to prevent Witnesses from learning too much: We have been forewarned that there will be apostates and people who just like to have their ears tickled. Counsel such as at 2 John 9-11, 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 and 2 Timothy 3:5 allows no room for associating with those who turn away from the truth. Nor do we purchase or read their writings. (p. 19) It became obvious that too many were still questioning the Watchtower, reading literature that exposed their past, or were talking to disfellowshiped relatives. So in the July 15, 1985 WT, the Governing Body applied the injunction in 2 John 10 (against antichrists) to those that disassociate themselves. No mention at all is made of the context of this passage (verse 7 tells us that these ones deny Christ as come in the flesh). Nevertheless, the penalty meant for true apostate teachers is now applied to ANYONE disassociating himself. The article is not specific as to whether this total shunning is to be carried out with relatives living in one's own home or not. Quoting from their AID book in reference to "apostates," they say, Such ones willfully abandoning the Christian congregation thereby become part of the "antichrist." (1 John 2:18,19) A person who had willfully and formally disassociated himself from the congregation would have matched that description.(p. 31) What Will "Simon" Say Next? With many court cases now in progress in various parts of the United States and Canada, it is hard to say exactly what will happen in the next couple of years. Most likely, the WT will continue to enforce a hard line against any communication with disfellowshiped friends or relatives. The reason is simple: The Witness will be asked to examine the history and cover-ups of the Watchtower organization, so as to reconsider their allegiance to the New York-based organization. Since an objective examination of the Watchtower organization virtually always leads to the Witness leaving, the Governing Body wants to prevent this at all costs. To lose their followers is to lose their power. If "Simon said" then, who would jump?